1 Million victims of Camp Lejeune? Camp Lejeune, Cancer, & An Absence of Justice

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4.10.2025
Camp Lejeune, Cancer, & An Absence of Justice


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Camp Lejeune, Cancer, & An Absence of Justice
I Came With Fire Podcast

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Virginia Robinson and Ashley Keller join the show to discuss the toxic water scandal at Camp Lejeune. This situation has left countless service members, families, and civilians with lifelong health battles, many resulting in death.

In this episode, we dig into the Camp Lejeune Justice Act and the fight for accountability. Despite the government's own evidence proving contamination, victims and their families are still waiting, with many left in limbo as legal teams struggle against delays, bureaucracy, and stonewalling. This conversation uncovers the scope of the tragedy, the failures in delivering justice, and the broader implications for how America treats its veterans and citizens when the government itself is responsible for harm.

Chapters:

00:00 Virginia's Journey Through Cancer

07:07 Linking Illness to Camp Lejeune

09:49 The Chemical Contamination at Camp Lejeune

12:11 The Camp Lejeune Justice Act

15:07 The Struggle for Accountability

21:11 The Impact on Future Generations

26:15 The Camp Lejeune Justice Act and Its Implications

31:32 The Struggles of Military Families and Health Issues

33:35 Political Responsibility and Accountability

41:38 Community Support and Resources for Survivors

45:19 The Call for Action and Awareness


In this video
Virginia's Journey Through Cancer
0:18
There were a bunch of sources of the chemicals in the water, but one of the big ones was an industrial dry cleaning
0:24
service that was just dumping tce and PCE and other industrial solvents into
0:29
the water. Uh, and again, as I told you, I don't even think the government disputes now that they learned about
0:36
that well before they started giving compensation to victims first through the VA and then through the Camplian
0:42
Justice Act in 2022. Interestingly, in the legal process that we're going through now, a lot of the best
0:49
scientific evidence that we have was commissioned by the United States government. The ATSDR did studies about
0:56
the water at Camp Lleune and the different conditions that it was causing and a comparison of the people who spent
1:02
time on base in the most contaminated areas and comparing their rates of these conditions to people in the background
1:10
uh population and showing much higher uh elevated risks of these various
1:15
conditions. So, we're using the government's own evidence to show that these people were injured. And yet,
1:21
remarkably, the litigation position of the Department of Justice right now is no one is entitled to compensation.
1:27
Congress passed this big repeal of sovereign immunity and said, "Go ahead and sue the United States." But we
1:33
plaintiffs haven't proven anything yet, even though we're using the government's own documents to show that these people
1:38
were actually injured.
1:47
Welcome both of you guys to I Came with Fire podcast. It's a pleasure to speak to you. Uh Virginia, we were talking a
1:53
little bit beforehand how uh you were a dependent for the military. Your husband was in uh the Marine Corps, you said. Is
2:00
that accurate? Correct. Okay. And then uh uh Mr. Keller, you are
2:05
uh Miss Robinson's representation, correct? That is correct. Yes. Okay. Sorry about that, guys. a little
2:11
bit of technical difficulty there, but we're back at it. Uh, you were about to talk to us about uh your history and um
2:17
sort of how you got to be in and around the camp area and um eventually what
2:22
would uh lead up happening to you. Uh my father would join the Marine Corps
2:28
and then my father got stationed here back in in the late 50s. 1959 we moved on to base housing.
2:36
Um then we moved to South Carolina. Then we came back to North Carolina because I have two younger brothers. One's was
2:42
born in South Carolina, the other one was born in North Carolina, Camp Lejun. Um,
2:48
in 1978, I developed a form of leukemia because I had to have 18 transfusions of
2:55
blood. Then I I was fine after that. They they that 78
3:02
and 79 they kept me in the hospital to find out just to moderate it to get me balanced. Then I got married in 1980
3:12
to a Marine. Okay. We lived off base housing, but we spent
3:17
all our time on base because I picked him up. We only had one car. Um
3:24
then in 81 I gave birth to a daughter. My daughter was born with um
3:31
she had a tumor in her spine. They operated on her and then later it turned into bladder cancer. She got bladder
3:38
cancer. She died at the age of 32. Oh, I'm so sorry. Then um
3:47
1989, I developed cervix cancer while pregnant
3:52
with my second child. Third child. Okay. Um Wow.
3:59
They I went in for my checkup after having the baby and that's when they found out I had cervix cancer. Nobody
4:05
knew it during the pregnancy because I was high risk. So they didn't monitor me like they
4:12
should have monitored. They couldn't put stuff inside to find out. Mhm. And um
4:18
1989 from 1989 I was from
4:24
79 to 89 I was cancer-free. In 89 to
4:33
2010 I developed cervix cancer or not cervix uh colon cancer.
4:40
They took my ascending colon anatomy. Um, nobody knew. Nobody I I went to
4:45
three doctors. They kept saying, "Oh, you just got a stomach virus." Um, you
4:50
know, it'll it'll surface by itself, right? Um, then all of a sudden, I went to a
4:57
different doctor and she goes, "Have you had a CAT scan? Have you had this?" She did the CAT scan. Next thing we know, I
5:04
had a tumor in my ascending colon the size of a baseball.
5:09
My gosh. And nobody caught it. From 80 from 2010
5:17
to 2015 I 2015 I gota breast cancer in my left
5:23
breast. They did the surgery on me. Um I was
5:30
fine. Then 2023 that was my happy year. Um, I had a
5:39
doctor that was in Newburn and he sent me all the way up to Duke because I had
5:47
cerosis of the liver and I'm a non-drinker. Okay. And so they were trying to figure out
5:53
how they could do it. Something showed up on a CAT scan that I had to go to and
5:59
he sent me to Duke and we found out I had liver cancer.
6:05
When they did the CAT scan on me, they found out I had kidney cancer, liver cancer at the same time.
6:11
Oh my goodness. And then I had to come down and have my mammogram in Newburn. They found out I
6:17
had breast cancer in my right breast. So I had three cancers at one time. Duke took care of
6:24
two of them and Newburn took care of the other one.
6:29
In March of 24, I had a liver transplant. Okay.
6:35
And now I'm cancer free so far. Not going to lie. Wow. That that is absolutely incredible.
6:43
I can't imagine having to live through something like that over and over and over again. I I have a good friend. He's
6:49
uh also in the Air Force who survived leukemia a few times, but you have gone through all these different things and
6:55
you've had to have pieces of your body removed. That's that's terrible. I I'm just curious when when did the pieces
7:00
get start getting put together that this is linked to Camp Leon and your time in
7:05
that area? Whenever I went to colon cancer, my doctor up in Newburn,
Linking Illness to Camp Lejeune
7:12
he told me, he says, "This isn't right." Cuz see, my husband had lung and melanoma cancer. He died in 2014. My
7:20
daughter died five months after him. Sorry to hear that. And then my father had Parkinson's
7:26
disease when he passed away. Okay, all of these are Camplun diseases,
7:34
but the worst part for me is that I've gone through so many different cancers. I'm one of five children and I'm the
7:40
only one who had cancer. My sister just now has cancer, but it's female cancer.
7:48
Okay. So, we're just I'm a strong person.
7:54
Mhm. I have the belief that I'm going to beat Camp Lejun, right?
8:00
Because as far as I'm concerned, Camp Lejune never told us what was going on. I worked on Camp Lun for 25 years as a
8:08
as a civilian employee, a federal I was a federal employee. Okay?
8:13
And it just I mean, nobody told anything to us about this stuff. Nobody told us. And when I got sick in 78, Camp Lejun's
8:21
answer was, "Oh, we got to get her to Portsmith." So, I was medevaced from Camp Lejun to go to Portsmouth to find
8:27
out what was wrong with me because Camp Lun did not know.
8:35
So, you am I doing okay?
8:41
You're doing great. You're telling your story and that's what's the most important thing. Absolutely. Just a minute ago you said
8:48
that these were Camp Leune diseases. That sounds a lot like there are other people who've had some of the same
8:54
things happen to them, right? Yes. And there has these strings have all been sort of tied back to Camp Lun. Um I take
9:02
it that there are a lot of other people who are experiencing this alongside of you and maybe other people involved in this situation. But um this goes all the
9:09
way back to the 50s. So it sounds like this over decades that maybe you're talking about hundreds of people maybe
9:16
more who have had these experiences. Do let me me back this up here. What has
9:23
been any sort of official response from Camp Lleune and then has there been any indication of what may have caused this?
9:30
I I feel like I know that Campleune has an artillery range and I understand that
9:35
um you know artillery and some of these other things have chemicals in them that are not safe and I don't know if perhaps there's some leeching going on but are
9:41
you able to sort of break that down for us? I'm not sure exactly what um maybe legally you can get into or whatever but
9:48
uh just kind of curious chemicals. It was the chemicals that was used on base.
The Chemical Contamination at Camp Lejeune

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9:54
Okay, Brandon, let me if I could. Uh Virginia is exactly right. the chemicals that
9:59
were on base. Let me set the stage for you because you said hundreds of people in Miss Robinson's situation.
10:05
Unfortunately, it's hundreds of thousands of people in Miss Robinson's situation. So,
10:11
uh terrible chemicals like benzene uh were in the water at Camp Lleune as a
10:16
result of dumping that was occurring and seeping into the groundwater there. Uh and this happened over the course of
10:23
some 35 years starting in the 1950s. So when you're drinking a glass of water
10:29
from the faucet, when you're brushing your teeth, when you're bathing every night, you're getting exposed to these
10:35
known human carcinogens and known chemicals that cause diseases like
10:40
Parkinson's and neurodedevelopmental harm. And so the people who are on this
10:45
base, primarily Marines and their families, but also civilians, were being exposed to this water. uh and the
10:52
government for many many decades said nothing about it. Finally, there was an
10:58
uproar because people were realizing if you worked at Camp Lleune, if you lived
11:03
at Camp Lleune, you were way more likely to have these sorts of conditions. And finally, the VA started to offer medical
11:11
benefits associated with you being on base, but they still didn't give any compensation for pain and suffering. The
11:19
sort of trials and tribulations that you just heard Miss Robinson going through, losing a child in her early 30s, which
11:26
no mother should ever have to bury a kid at that age. They didn't offer anything
11:31
like that until finally in 2022, so long after the last person left uh
11:40
Marine Base Camp Lune with poisoned water, Congress finally got its act together and with 87 votes in the
11:47
Senate, so pretty bipartisan, including then Senator and now Vice President JD
11:52
Vance, they passed the Camp Leune Justice Act, which repealed sovereign immunity, which is just fancy legal
11:59
jargon for saying you now have permission to sue the United States and actually get compensation the way any
12:05
other person would be able to get compensation if a private party injured them in this way. But to this day, so 3
The Camp Lejeune Justice Act
12:12
years after the Camp Lleune Justice Act was passed where Congress obviously intended for people like Miss Robinson
12:19
to get compensation, there are now some 400,000 claims pending at the Navy from people
12:27
who claim that they were injured by the water there. and only a couple of hundred
12:33
uh only a couple of hundred of those claims have been processed and resulted in a payment for victims. So at the pace
12:41
that we're currently going, it's going to take a thousand years for the government of the United States to finally make good on the promise of the
12:48
Camp Lleune Justice Act. And so we're going on shows like yours to get the word out so that people hear Miss
12:55
Robinson's story. Uh she's not looking for a handout. She's not looking for a
13:00
free government program. She's looking for compensation for injuries that her government did to her while she and her
13:06
husband and her family were wearing the uniform of the United States and serving their country. That we think is clearly
13:14
what Congress wanted when it passed this legislation. And it's my belief that the Trump administration and President Trump
13:20
care a very good deal about the people who wore the uniform of the United States. and they're going to want to
13:26
take care of these people and do the right thing. We've given almost $200 billion dollars to aid the people of
13:32
Ukraine in their fight against Russia. We can give a fraction of that to the people of this country who sacrificed uh
13:40
so much for the for the safety and securities and freedoms that we Americans enjoy.
13:46
I can't agree more. uh you know in I was I was on active duty for almost 15 years and every installation that I have been
13:53
stationed at I have found out that I've spent time in buildings that were
13:59
asbestous ridden and and I'm talking like years you know operating in and out of these buildings going into buildings
14:04
for trainings that had asbestous finding out that the water uh don't drink the water in this building it's bad uh or
14:11
finding out I've already done that or whatever and there's so many other military members who've had similar experiences with this I mean I I had
14:18
some good friends when I was stationed in Montana who found out that the the building that we lived in and they let
14:23
me know this had asbestous in it and I lived in that building for almost 3 years while I was an airman. Um and so
14:30
it's this is just a problem I think that is riven uh without throughout the military and probably just any
14:35
government installation um in general. But um it's it's it's always surprising
14:41
to me to hear how how long these things take to come to fruition. And it it to
14:46
me in my opinion it would have to take an act of evasion to get away from trying to take accountability for what's
14:53
going on. I mean, is this something that I don't know what the sort of the process you guys have gone through on the the legal end, but to go back in
15:00
time and look at, you know, maybe some early reports of this and um has there been any attempt that you guys have
15:06
uncovered to to uh from the maybe the US Navy or the DoD um at large to hide
The Struggle for Accountability
15:13
this? Have you guys seen? I think so. Yes. I think so.
15:19
I was I'm afraid that the answer is yes. That's right. Okay. I was told when I when I first started my stuff, I started
15:26
this in 2013. I was going through the VA. Yeah.
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My husband was alive then. We started with the VA because at one time my
15:36
husband, my daughter, and myself were all going through cancer at the same time. We were we were each other's caretakers.
15:45
But the whole thing about it when you were saying about asbestous in the water, that's true on almost all the
15:50
military. The building I worked in on base was built in 1941. You know, it had
15:56
asbestous. Yeah. But they but they they all they could do was post something on the wall saying
16:01
this building has asbestous. Just work at your risk. Mhm. But the whole thing about it is when I
16:08
went to the VA and I I first started with them. Um yes, we were getting
16:14
letters that we were getting letters frequently. I was told to go to a VA
16:19
hospital and have a my evaluation for me to be evaluated. Okay. At the
16:25
time I was to go to be evaluated, I was cancer-free. Mhm. We went to I went to a VA hospital, was
16:32
evaluated, and then they told me after that when I came here to start going to Camp Lun or to the Jacksonville one, um
16:40
I was told, "Oh, no, you're you're a dependent or you're a civilian. You can't come here. you're not seen here. I
16:46
said, I was told to come here. I even brought the letters with me. So, the VA gaffed us off and that made me mad
16:54
because the VA is supposed to take care of the veterans, right? Yeah, absolutely. You uh Mr.
17:01
Keller, you were saying that you had found evidence of them covering up. What What is some of that information? Are
17:06
you able to talk about it or Yeah, it's in the public domain. And actually, I don't think the government
17:12
even denies now that it knew about the poison chemicals in the water long
17:17
before the Campleune Justice Act in 2022. They discovered this in the '9s
17:23
and 2000s and they finally agreed that veterans should be able to get benefits
17:28
at the VA with presumptions that they were injured by the water at Camp Lleune
17:33
so that they would be able to get medical care uh at an affordable price. So the government itself I think
17:39
acknowledges that this was hidden from the people who were injured for many decades and now that it has finally come
17:46
to light and Congress has acted. Now we're in the the fight the protracted fight to get compensation for these
17:53
victims. But there's no dispute that the government knew about this many many years ago. Yep.
17:58
Go back to the 90s. Wow. We knew we knew when we lived on base you could taste the water difference.
18:04
My mother boil My mother boiled water to for her to make tea for us. She would
18:09
boil water to just to cook with. Everything was in boiled water and it
18:14
still didn't help. Yeah. Like he said, we had to get showers. We had to brush our teeth.
18:20
Right. I'm sorry. I have dentures. I've had dentures since I was 35 years old.
18:26
Wow. Because my gums deteriorated. So clearly you're experiencing this.
18:33
your family individually, there had to be other families on base experiencing this simultaneously. And I just can't
18:39
imagine with the knowing the way the military works. And hey, I'm having this
18:44
this issue at home, right? The water tastes weird. You've got hundreds of of sailors, marines, whatever, reporting
18:51
this to their leadership who live on on base. Um and and this is running up the chain of command that this is just a
18:57
total lack of accountability. And you know, I guess the chain the chain of command fell through,
19:03
right? They they they never followed up. That's what I'm getting at. Yeah. It for for decades though. I mean, and I know
19:09
how many times changeover happens with with leadership. It's every couple of years. Maybe it's just every year, you
19:14
know, sometimes. And just to me thinking about how many people over several
19:20
decades failed American service members and their families about this and just,
19:25
you know, I can't even imagine um why somebody would think it's okay to to not
19:32
run this up and say, "Hey, this is unsafe. We're not letting people move into base housing anymore." I mean my question to you too this sort of like
19:38
begs the question are people that have that lived off the installation of camplejun experienced this as well or is
19:44
it is it contained to just the military housing I think so far what I've heard it's been
19:51
only on base okay but it's it's the what people don't realize is base housing was Midway Parka
19:59
Terrace and Berkeley Manor and Watkins Village okay Paradise Point was for the officers
20:05
but the whole thing about it. It's all Midway Park was off base by itself, but
20:13
I can tell you from whenever um some of the horror stories that I was told, 10 women that lived on one road in Midway
20:20
Park all had miscarriages. It was like two in two or three days
20:26
apart. They all miscarried their babies. So that was the water. They knew it was
20:32
the water. Nobody else could explain anything. Camp Llejun Hospital wasn't explaining nothing to nobody.

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20:39
Mhm. This is what they Yeah. I was just going to say, Brandon, you
20:45
know this as someone who served. Uh the water at Camp Llejune was the the contaminated source of all of these
20:52
problems. So, it didn't spread beyond the base. But a base like Marine Base Camp Lune has lots of civilian
20:58
contractors who are constantly on the base. They have to take a shower. They have to drink water. they're they're
21:05
going to be exposed to that. And when you get that exposure over the course of years as opposed to a couple of days
The Impact on Future Generations
21:12
because you're a repeat player and you're constantly coming back to the installation, that can give you the same
21:18
sort of chemical exposure that causes these problems. So even if you didn't live there, if you spent enough time
21:24
there and were exposed to the water there, you could have developed one of these conditions. So it's primarily
21:29
military families that were living on base, but it's not exclusively military families. It's those who had to come to
21:34
the base to work. Mhm. Well, it sort of also makes me wonder if some of these people who have
21:40
had these diseases because of chemicals, if they've gone on to have children, I mean, is it possible to pass this along
21:46
because of the damage that's done to you? Yeah. At the cellular level. Wow. As Miss Robinson just said, miscarriages
21:52
were a common problem on the base at a much higher rate than the background risk in the population. Uh, you heard
21:59
the tragic story that Miss Robinson told about her daughter being born with cancer. Um, you know, you're drinking
22:05
the water as a mother while your baby is in uterero that is going to impact your offspring.
22:11
Mhm. It's just this is uh it's it's absolutely terrible to hear about
22:16
something like this. They just it's it's antithetical to everything that you're told uh when you're coming into the
22:21
military. And then I think something that a lot of people hear and believe about uh the military is you know one of
22:26
the first things is integrity and honor right and then accountability like these are attributes that you think um the
22:33
military embodies and this is there's so many examples now coming out uh of
22:39
things like this and this isn't the only installation that's had issues uh in this vein. Um, and to hear just how many
22:46
how many people who wore the uniform who decided to pass the buck on to others,
22:51
it does that's not an embodiment of integrity. That's not an embodiment of accountability or honor or any of these
22:56
things. It's despicable. And just to think that this is it's a shame, too, because as as a as a population, the
23:03
Americans citizen has this belief in their US military. There's there's a ton
23:08
of support. there is this belief like I said that the military embodies these these morals and ethics that I was just
23:15
outlining and then to find out that uh this is what's happening and how they're treated and then the issues that you you
23:21
dealt with with the VA. Obviously, there's so many stories of people and the nightmares they've had to go through with with Veterans Affairs. But it's
23:27
just it's it's really disheartening to hear that it just someone over and over and over again was passing the buck and
23:34
not taking care of this issue and letting people move into that. you guys left and then somebody else moved into your house and they kept drinking the
23:40
water and you know some different Marines going out and you know staying in the barracks or you know filling up a
23:46
canteen and going out to the field and and drinking the water and it's just I don't know it's you said it was
23:51
chemicals is it is it directly related to do you guys know the the artillery range that's out there from from
23:57
leeching or where where did that where did the chemicals start to seep in and poison the well so to speak?
24:03
I might have been the piping because of some of the housing. Um, but some of it was because the base
24:10
cleaners. Um, they had a cleaning service on base and their chemicals from the cleaning
24:17
service for your uniforms and stuff was a problem. Gotcha. Um,
24:24
the one thing I can tell you that I know for a fact camp June
24:30
they do they had their own water sources. Everything was based. You've got it through the tap.
24:35
Yep. Out in Camp Pendleton in California, you get five gallon bottles of water
24:40
delivered to your house to use. Yeah. Because of everything from Camp Lun, we
24:46
had a doctor and his name is Greg Murphy. He was a urologist up in Greenville.
24:52
Okay. He's now our state senator because we voted for him. He is the one that first
24:57
brought it and started working with this because he had so many patients that had
25:03
kidney problems and he didn't understand why there was such a problem. And then he dug deeper.
25:10
But I mean, if it wouldn't have been for Greg Murphy, I don't think anybody would have known what was going on,
25:16
right? Because they kept this quiet. Mhm. Even when I got sick in 78, nobody
25:23
said anything. Yeah. It was It was like so hush hush. Mhm.
25:30
Through through through the legal process, have you guys ever been able to find any like evidence of when I say
25:36
conspiracy, like conspiracy to cover this up in any sort of military documents or anything like that? Maybe things that the hospitals were passing
25:42
along to, you know, camp leadership or anything like that?
25:47
Yeah. So Brandon, back back to your earlier question, there were a bunch of sources of the chemicals in the water,
25:53
but one of the big ones was an industrial dry cleaning service that was just dumping TCE and PCE and other
26:01
industrial solvents into the water. Uh, and again, as I told you, I don't even
26:06
think the government disputes now that they learned about that well before they
26:11
started giving compensation to victims first through the VA and then through the Campleian Justice Act in 2022. And
The Camp Lejeune Justice Act and Its Implications
26:18
interestingly, in the legal process that we're going through now, a lot of the best scientific evidence that we have
26:26
was commissioned by the United States government. The ATSDR did studies about the water at Camp Lleune and the
26:32
different conditions that it was causing and a comparison of the people who spent time on base in the most contaminated
26:39
areas and comparing their rates of these conditions to people in the background uh population and showing much higher uh
26:48
elevated risks of these various conditions. So, we're using the government's own evidence to show that
26:54
these people were injured. And yet, remarkably, the litigation position of the Department of Justice right now is
27:00
no one is entitled to compensation. Congress passed this big repeal of sovereign immunity and said, "Go ahead
27:06
and sue the United States, but we plaintiffs haven't proven anything yet, even though we're using the government's
27:11
own documents to show that these people were actually injured." So, um, the litigation position of the the United
27:18
States right now is is one that I hope changes over time. And and my hope is also that civilian leadership uh in the
27:25
political branches, the the top of the executive branch from the president to the attorney general and the head of
27:31
civil, I think they need to step up and say enough is enough. These people have waited long enough. People like Miss
27:38
Robinson have suffered long enough. It's time that we do the right thing here. And that's all that uh most of my
27:44
clients want. They're they're not sorry that they served in the military or that their husbands or their brothers or
27:49
their family members served in the military. They're proud of their military service. They just want the government to take responsibility and do
27:56
right. Right. When they did wrong in the past, that's all anybody's asking for.
28:01
Right. Well, how many instances are there of things like this? It took an incredible amount of effort just to get
28:07
the burn pit registry to be something that's official for for folks who deployed for 20 plus years during the
28:13
GWAT. And you know I I mean I can't tell you how many times you had mentioned before Virginia about how uh at Camp
28:19
Pendleton there 5 gallons of water brought to homes daily. Um, even when I I had mentioned before we we'd started
28:25
recording, you know, my my dad was active duty. When we lived overseas in uh Germany, um, our apartment building
28:32
every day we could go to a location on base and get bottled water to drink. And
28:38
I mean, these these apartment complexes had been there since post World War II, right around the time, you know, right
28:43
after uh, GIS were able to start moving their families over to the Rinland Palatinet there in the Kaiser Slaughter
28:49
military community area. And um and then when I was in Montana, there was a few different times. This is at Malmstrom
28:54
Air Force Base where there are ICBMs. So um there's a lot of chemicals and things that are that are used there and other
29:00
things you can get exposed to. But there were times when um we were told in advance, you know, the the water is
29:06
going to be bad. Don't drink it. And even when I improcessed and was was given a barracks room, I was told, don't
29:11
drink the water. Don't drink the water of your tap. Don't drink the water in the shower if you can avoid it. You know, um don't brush your teeth, you
29:17
know, recommend brushing your teeth with bottled water. Any of these things. It's just it's just the barracks that's a problem. If you go to the dining
29:23
facility on base or any of the squadron buildings, you know, the water there is fine. Um even, you know, the weapon
29:30
storage area where the um you know, the the weapons are are stored and maintained, right? There's water down
29:35
there that they say is safe to drink, which I've always been skeptical of. But this is just a it's it's really
29:40
unfortunate to hear. And this is, you know, tied back to, like you said, a dry cleaning service that was allowed to um
29:46
dump waste and, you know, give people get people sick, right, which I'm sure that dry cleaning service probably
29:52
doesn't even exist anymore, right? The people individually to to hold them accountable. But then to hear, like you said, u Mr. Keller, how you're using the
29:59
government's own evidence against them and they're still denying, saying that you don't have the right to you're not entitled to compensation, that's totally
30:05
bogus. This is this is a story that's repeated over and over again by by military service members and their
30:11
families seeking compensation or even acknowledgement of um the things they
30:16
breathed in or things that they lived around at burn in burn pits in deployed locations. Other installations with with
30:22
problems like this. I know Hawaii is another one. Um I can't remember which installation it was that has an issue with their drinking water and this has
30:28
to do with the Navy as well. So, this is just a this is uh the norm, unfortunately. And to hear that it's the
30:34
norm is, like I said before, is extremely disheartening. And I can't I can't imagine what it's like. And and I
30:39
I I feel so so bad for you that you had to go through this and the people that you've lost in your life and the other
30:44
people, like you said, the hundreds of thousands of people, Mr. Keller, who've had to endure something like this. I mean, this is a nightmare. These are
30:50
things that when you think of other countries, third world countries, this is like things that you may attribute to uh their governments and and you know,
30:57
their militaries, the people that have to go through and the government denying people compensation. But it's right here in the United States, right? Which you
31:04
know, again, is supposed to embody these morals and ethics that I mentioned, you know, integrity, accountability, these things. And to see it not happening is,
31:11
you know, why why do you think so many people are upset when so much money, like you said, Mr. Killer, goes to a
31:16
country like Ukraine for weapons and bombs and missiles and things like that? But you can't even take care of the service members who have dedicated their
31:23
lives and their family dedicated their lives to the supporting that service member and they can't even get compensation or acknowledgement and be
31:28
taken care of. I mean that's despicable. Amen. And and I just want to add on top of that to everything you said which is
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completely correct. You know a lot of these conditions take a long time to develop right. Cancer doesn't happen
31:41
overnight even if you're exposed to toxic chemicals. And you know, this ended uh the contamination of the water
31:48
at Camp Lleune ended in the 80s. So you now have people uh like Miss Robinson
31:53
who aren't as tough as her and aren't as lucky as her, who are in a lot worse shape. And I hate to say this, but we
32:00
represent a lot of the families who suffered at Camp Leune, tens of thousands of them. And we lose somebody
32:07
almost every day. And so we have to substitute the name of a client for their estate because they've succumbed
32:14
to their injuries. And so it's really important that shows like yours get the
32:19
word out again so that the political leadership can hear these messages because I want these people to get
32:25
justice in their lifetimes. Uh they deserve to get their compensation before they're 6 feet under. And unfortunately,
32:32
just given the timetable of what we're talking about here and when these injuries started to be imposed in the
32:38
50s going all the way through the 1980s, you're dealing with a population here often times that doesn't have a lot of
32:44
time left. Yeah. Well, and it's a terrible thing that this is a political issue. It shouldn't
32:51
even be a political issue. Uh this should be this should be some of the biggest no-brainer assistance um that
32:57
you could think of. And I'm also thinking of the uh the 911 first responders as well who had to fight for
33:02
their compensation and acknowledgement of what they went through and the things that they were exposed to cleaning up the the uh the demolition um in that
33:10
area or the destruction that those areas. It's just it's it's crazy to me um how much we're not taking care of uh
33:16
as first responders and service members by by the government. Just because it is apparently a political issue even though
33:22
it shouldn't be. Just out of curiosity, who who helps you guys the most? who do you guys are able to lean on um in the
33:28
in the US government, Mr. Keller, to to help out and get raise attention to this issue and and get assistance?
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Yeah. So, I agree that it shouldn't be a partisan issue. I will say uh that it
33:40
was tough dealing with the previous administration and I'm not trying to play politics. This is not Democrat or
33:45
Republican, but uh I think the Biden Department of Justice really dug in its heels. And I'm hopeful uh that with this
33:53
new administration, with uh Pam Bondi as the attorney general, uh with President
33:58
Trump, with real Marines like JD Vance as the vice president of the United States, I think you're going to see
34:04
greater respect for people who served. And my hope is it's going to break the log jam. So, uh, I think that this
34:10
administration has a golden opportunity to take care of people that everybody agrees should be taken care of. Again,
34:18
we live in a very partisan political environment right now. It's hard to imagine anything getting 87 votes in the
34:24
United States Senate, but that's what the Camp Lleene Justice Act got. Republicans and Democrats came together
34:30
on this one. And so, I think the Trump administration should heed uh that bipartisan call to take care of people
34:35
like Miss Robinson. Absolutely. Can Can I say something? 100%.
34:42
We had hurricane in the mountains. Mhm. I can't remember her name now.
34:50
And it tore out Asheville. It demolished Asheville. Okay. It demolished a lot of
34:57
other places in in South Carolina and Georgia. I want you to know if Pete had Seth, I
35:06
know he was the Fox News reporter, but if he could go to Asheville and talk to those people,
35:11
he can get off his butt now as the what is he? Department of Department of
35:17
Secretary of Defense. Secretary of Defense. Mhm. So, this is what he needs to do, push
35:22
this forward. Well, he also was a part of the the VA as well. That was his one of his prior
35:28
occupations. I mean, he was army. Yeah, he was a commission officer in the
35:35
army. You're right. Yeah. Well, one of the things I wanted to ask you about, I mean, there's so many people uh that
35:40
have gone through what you're going through. Do you guys have like support system wise community for you guys that you Yeah,
35:46
there is. Yes. There's It's called Camp Loun Water Survivors. It's a website.
35:52
Okay. And you can join it and talk about it and then that's how we find out who passes away. Um, there's a gentleman,
35:59
his name is Jerry Nsinger. He put it together. His daughter died. Um, they
36:04
just had her anniversary for her death. And I believe she died from leukemia.
36:10
Dang. But she was just a young girl. I mean, she w she went to school with my daughter. And I mean,
36:18
he pushed this he he pushed this mess with Camp Ljun because he he was he
36:23
swore it was Camp Ljun who did it because he lived in base housing. Yeah, but the Cample of June water survivors,
36:30
you can find out information from them. They're talking about everything that happens. They're they're pushing people
36:36
to get a hold of your representatives for your state because they want them to push for this to happen. We need this
36:43
thing to go through. The longer we sit on this, the worse it's going to be. No doubt. Well, something you were just
36:51
saying made me think about um like most of the housing or a lot of the housing at least on Air Force installations is
36:57
privatized now with a couple different companies. And um I'm not going to say any of these company names. Um but I
37:04
know for a fact that uh I have had friends um and not me specifically, I'll just say this, right? And so this is
37:09
this is second party information told to me, but have had issues trying to report um you know uh sicknesses and things
37:16
like that, right? Um, and they're told now, well, you need to go through the private company um, to to make a report.
37:23
And there's almost this um, I guess like it's it seems intentional to have this
37:29
divide so that they don't have to get involved. And when I say they, I mean military leadership to get involved, but I think that they have a responsibility
37:35
to take care of service members even though some of these companies are private, right? like the DoD is making
37:40
these deals and getting into these contracts with these private companies to come on base to provide a service for
37:46
service members. And you know, I I know that the DoD and the US government in in general is notorious for getting
37:52
themselves into terrible contracts with with companies to that come on base to provide services, whatever it is, it's
37:59
cleaning, like you had mentioned before, with dry cleaning or housing or food services or whatever. and then you know
38:05
they sort of paint themselves into a corner when problems start happening because they can't get out of or back
38:10
out of a contract and won't go through the process to try to get out of these contracts with these private companies. So, it just kind of makes me wonder if
38:16
some of that is at play or was at play at the time um with why there was no accountability.
38:22
No, there wasn't. When we lived in base housing
38:27
Mhm. it was run by the Marine Corps. The Marine Corps.
38:33
The dry cleaning was as well. It was ran by Marines. Yes. But they had
38:39
some Okay. Workers. Gotcha. So that wasn't a private company. They called them like civil service
38:44
employees. Mhm. You're either um active duty military or
38:49
you're civil service working on the base or you're like me. I was a NAF employee.
38:54
Non-appropriated funds. Not appropriated funds. And I mean,
39:02
I know that every time we had a problem or if my father didn't cut the grass, we
39:08
had a marine come to the house and tell us that the grass needed to be cut.
39:13
I remember that it was I've gotten my butt chewed before as a 12-year-old for not cutting the grass
39:19
when my dad was at work for something like that. It was the Marine Corps that was running base housing until probably in the 80s.
39:26
Yeah. And then a civilian place out of Norfol, Virginia took over. Mhm. Yeah. No, I thought I thought maybe
39:34
the the dry cleaning company was um was a private company, but it sounds like it it was something it was a service that
39:39
the Marine Corps was offering. It was a Nathy employee. It was a nap. Gotcha. Okay. I honestly don't care about any of that
39:46
stuff because to me, and I'm sure you agree, Brandon, uh it is the responsibility ultimately of the United
39:52
States government to take care of the people who are serving in uniform. And so if they think it's more efficient to
39:58
contract with a private sector company, I have no problem with that. But the buck has to stop with the United States.
40:04
They are the ones ultimately responsible for taking care of these people. And so if they contract with a private company
40:10
and the private company can't afford to pay for all the harm it caused, then the United States needs to pay for it.
40:16
That's that's actually the point I was trying to make is that I think that they they do hire some of these private contractors for housing or food or
40:22
whatever and then when there's an issue, they push service members towards these private companies and shift the blame when in you know in reality like you're
40:29
saying they're the ones who brought them on the installations and said this is what you're what we're providing for you that there should be responsibility that
40:36
falls on to excuse me, military leadership, the Department of Defense, the US government to take care of service members
40:42
regardless of whether or not that that private company is the issue. That should be bottom line your
40:48
responsibility is to take care of service members because service members at any at any point could be called up to deploy and potentially go lose their
40:55
life for this country. So that is I mean if you can if you can expect somebody and have the reasonable expectation that that person on a day-to-day basis is
41:02
willing to give up their life for their country then taking care of them and ensuring that they're taking care of and compensated for the things they have to
41:08
endure and the things that their families have to endure. That should be the biggest no-brainer in the world. Like I said earlier, it's just a shame
41:13
to hear something like this happen. But you you had mentioned the community that um you you have online. I think that's a
41:19
good thing. It's one of the things I was wondering about when you were talking before is that, you know, I'm glad to hear that you're not going through this
41:24
alone and that there's other people that you can lean on and reach out to and talk to and, you know, so many people that are going through this. So, that's
41:30
good. I'm glad that you have that community online, even though it is a community that centers around something that's that's so terrible. But, um, I
41:37
I'll have to check out the the website and I'll I'll share it and I'll put it in the show notes as well for everybody else to go and check that out. Um, and
Community Support and Resources for Survivors
41:44
any other any other information I can get to put in the show notes for people to go and find out. But is there is
41:49
there um I imagine that this is a this is a a long and potentially expensive process for people going through this.
41:55
Is there a place that uh people can go and donate, offer help or anything like that? Is that on that website, Virginia?
42:02
No, just No, it's just mostly mostly it's a soundoff board, but you
42:08
can't you have to be careful about it and you just have to let people know what you got. They just they're just trying to support
42:15
each other is what it is. Um, now I am going to tell you one thing. I know that my case is campleume
42:22
water because I had a doctor after my transplant. He is a doctor working on this
42:29
camplejune water stuff. Mhm. And he told me in no uncertain terms, he
42:34
said, "You are a Camp Llejun water survivor." Right. I had when I had my liver
42:41
transplant, there was two other people that were from Camp Ljun in Jacksonville,
42:46
other areas of the state, but they were Camp Llejun military.
42:51
Mhm. Wow. No, it's
42:57
I mean to me I think I think the military need to step up and just say, "Hey, we did wrong. Come on, let's get
43:03
take care of these people." Yes. That should be the easiest thing in the world. I mean, I can't tell you how
43:10
much time I've spent taking care of and finding things that cost a dime or 20 cents in the military because it got
43:16
lost, you know, amount of my time that was taken away from me and my family. But, you know, here we are, you're talking about literally people's lives,
43:22
not a not a lost round out of a magazine during an exercise that we're spending six hours after, you know, being on duty
43:30
to go find, you know, we're talking about your life, your your children, your family members, other family
43:35
members, things like that. And you know, if you can hold people accountable and take time away from them for for something that costs 30 cents, right?
43:42
Like let's just say like there's these things don't match up here. The expectation you have of service members
43:48
for accountability and integrity, uh it doesn't match. It it certainly makes for a dangerous combination. It's certainly
43:54
why I know a lot of people are getting very fed up with um with serving and the
43:59
leadership that they see from people uh and have seen from people because if if you expect this from me but I can't
44:05
expect the same morals and ethics from you, you know, that's it's a very dangerous combination you're talking about here. So
44:13
all they got to do is look out for us. That's it. They have to just take care of us.
44:19
Yeah. No, I agree. It it makes me wonder too what else is going to come up. You know, we have military bases all over
44:25
the world and uh you know this involves there's there's when I was in Japan
44:30
there were Japanese people who worked on base. When I was in Germany there were Germans who worked on base. When I was in England there were English people
44:36
that worked on base. You know it makes me wonder what other issues we're going to have that you know affected uh
44:42
citizens of other nations as well and what issues it may be caused and and things like that. So, it's just it's uh
44:49
this is what happens when when people who are supposed to have integrity and hold themselves accountable uh don't and
44:57
you're left with things like this of people that aren't taken care of and people who've dedicated their lives to service to this country and supporting
45:03
service members of this country. So, it's a shame. Um you know, Mr. Ker, I I I just wanted
45:10
to open the floor to you if if you've got anything else you feel of relevance that we didn't talk about this conversation that uh you wanted to bring
45:17
up that the floor was yours. I appreciate that, Brandon. I I'll pick
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45:22
up where you left off. Everybody agrees that we need to take care of people who
45:27
risk their lives for this country. It's a bipartisan issue. And I want to say I sincerely believe this is not um just
45:34
window dressing that people like Secretary Hexith, like President Trump, like General Bondi, I actually think
45:40
that they do care about the people who wore the uniform. And they're not the ones who created this problem. They are
45:47
not the ones who poisoned the water. They're not the ones who covered it up. So, not only do I think they sincerely
45:53
care about these people, but they have a golden political opportunity to clean up someone else's mess. They didn't do
45:59
this, but Congress gave them the tools to fix this problem. They obviously
46:04
should take that opportunity up and fix it. Well, this is something that I know that
46:10
I'm going to be talking about on our show very often. Uh, every opportunity I get, we go live twice a week. Um, and I
46:17
know that I'll be bringing this up and pointing people's direction and attention uh at it because the more people that are yelling about this, the
46:23
more people that are reaching out to uh their their congressman representatives, uh, the more attention it gets and
46:29
hopefully the quicker it'll get resolved. And, you know, I appreciate you guys coming on the show, especially you, M. Robinson, and everything that
46:35
you've gone through. I'm so sorry to hear that you have gone through these things. You lost a child and a husband and everybody else's and and and not to
46:41
mention all the the sickness that you've had in your life. this is not a that's a terrible way to go about living and and
46:47
have to live and I'm really sorry to hear that that happened to you and that the pe and then to to know that the people who are responsible for it aren't
46:53
taking accountability or responsibility for it that's even worse slap in the face
47:00
thank you thanks for having us on this appreciate it yeah no absolutely no-brainer and uh
47:07
I'll I'll let you guys know when this comes out and um again like I said you're more than welcome to come back as
47:13
Well, Mr. Arson, you too, Mr. Keller, if you want to come on our live show. We normally when we when we are live um we
47:18
can have up to a couple thousand people on with us at the same time and um this will air and and do the same thing.
47:24
We'll we'll keep talking about this as well and drawing people's attention to it. So, please keep talking about it because
47:30
Camp Lun, the people who were stationed at Camp Llejun all went to Pendleton, too.
47:37
They coincide with each other in Cal in Pendleton's in California. So, please keep talking about this because those
47:45
people out there, they know what Camp Lugen did to them. And there's a lot of people out in the West Coast, I mean,
47:52
they just need to talk. Everybody needs to talk. They need to know about this.
47:57
This is something that they the government has done and poisoned us. Yes. No, absolutely. This is going to go
48:04
out everywhere. Uh, and I'm going to make a lot of content about this and put it out there and bring attention. And like I said, we'll talk about this on
48:10
our live show. My co-host unfortunately couldn't be here today. Excuse me. He's a active duty Green Beret medic. Um, so
48:16
I know this is an issue that's that's dear to his heart as well. And he hates hearing about stories like this where
48:21
service members and their family members are are affected in in a way like this. And um, absolutely not going to let this
48:27
go just like we don't let go of a lot of other things that go on. And I appreciate both of your time sincerely, especially Miss Robinson coming on to
48:33
talk about this. and uh it takes a takes a level of courage to talk about this and to especially when the things that
48:38
you've gone through. So I commend you very much for being willing to talk about it and not letting something like this stop you everything you've gone
48:44
through stop you from talking about it. No, I talk about this all the time. Um and I'm very proud of the fact that I'm
48:52
a survivor. Yeah. Because you should be my my idea is to go after Camp Lun and
48:57
win. Yes. And these and we're losing too many people every day because everybody's
49:05
getting too weak. And what we all felt like is they were just waiting for us all to die off. I'm sorry. I'm not in
49:11
the mood to die. I'm 68 years old and I want to stay strong. Right. As you can tell, Brandon, no one is
49:17
stopping Miss Robinson. No, I like I like it. She's feisty. Yeah, that's what you need. Absolutely.
49:24
Fighting spirit. Certainly. Well, thank you guys both for your time. I will put links for uh information uh in the show
49:30
notes for everybody listening. Please check those out. Uh join us on our live shows on Wednesday and Friday evenings
49:35
where you can uh hear more about this. We'll talk about it, keep talking about it. And like I said, open invite to both of you guys if you'd like to come on and
49:42
talk about it in front of people in a live format. But I appreciate both of your times. Um I hope that there's
49:47
resolution in this and accountability um and compensation for for you and those who deserve it.

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Virginia Robinson and Ashley Keller join the show to discuss the toxic water scandal at Camp Lejeune. This situation has left countless service members, families, and civilians with lifelong health battles, many resulting in death.

In this episode, we dig into the Camp Lejeune Justice Act and the fight for accountability. Despite the government's own evidence proving contamination, victims and their families are still waiting, with many left in limbo as legal teams struggle against delays, bureaucracy, and stonewalling. This conversation uncovers the scope of the tragedy, the failures in delivering justice, and the broader implications for how America treats its veterans and citizens when the government itself is responsible for harm.

Chapters:

00:00 Virginia's Journey Through Cancer

07:07 Linking Illness to Camp Lejeune

09:49 The Chemical Contamination at Camp Lejeune

12:11 The Camp Lejeune Justice Act

15:07 The Struggle for Accountability

21:11 The Impact on Future Generations

26:15 The Camp Lejeune Justice Act and Its Implications

31:32 The Struggles of Military Families and Health Issues

33:35 Political Responsibility and Accountability

41:38 Community Support and Resources for Survivors

45:19 The Call for Action and Awareness
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Camp Lejeune, Cancer, & An Absence of Justice

(0:18) Es gab eine Menge Anleitungen für die Chemikalien im Wasser, (0:21) aber einer der großen Anleitungen war ein industrielles (0:24) Dreckschleifungsgerät, das TCE, PCE und andere (0:28) industrielle Solvente in das Wasser getrunken hat. (0:31) Und wie gesagt, ich glaube nicht einmal, dass die Regierung (0:34) jetzt Widerstände hat, dass sie darüber gelernt haben, (0:37) noch lange zuvor. (0:38) Sie begannen mit der Verpflichtung der Opfer, (0:40) zuerst durch die VA und dann durch das (0:42) Camp Lejeune Justice Act im Jahr 2022.
(0:44) Interessant ist, dass wir in der legalen Prozesse, (0:47) die wir jetzt durchgehen, eine Menge der besten (0:49) wissenschaftlichen Beweise, die wir haben, (0:52) wurde von der Regierung der Vereinigten Staaten (0:53) verabschiedet. (0:54) Die ATSDR hat Studien über das Wasser am Camp Lejeune (0:58) und die verschiedenen Bedingungen, die es verursachte, (1:01) und eine Vergleichung der Menschen, die Zeit auf der Basis (1:04) in den meisten kontaminierten Bereichen verbracht haben, (1:06) und ihre Raten dieser Bedingungen zu den Menschen (1:09) in der Hintergrundpopulation vergleichen, (1:11) und viel höhere Risiken dieser verschiedenen Bedingungen (1:16) Wir benutzen also die eigenen Beweise der Regierung, (1:19) um zu zeigen, dass diese Menschen verletzt wurden, (1:21) und trotzdem ist es bemerkenswert, dass die Position der (1:24) Verpflichtung der Justiz im Moment, dass niemand (1:26) zur Verpflichtung verpflichtet ist. (1:28) Der Kongress verabschiedete diese große Verpflichtung (1:30) der sovereignen Immunität und sagte, (1:31) lasst uns die Vereinigten Staaten beurteilen, (1:33) aber wir Verpflichtende haben noch nichts geprobt, (1:35) auch wenn wir die eigenen Dokumente der Regierung (1:38) benutzen, um zu zeigen, dass diese Menschen (1:39) tatsächlich verletzt wurden.
(1:48) Willkommen, ihr beiden, zu I Came of Fire Podcast. (1:51) Es ist ein Vergnügen, mit euch zu sprechen. (1:52) Virginia, wir haben vorhin ein bisschen gesprochen, (1:54) wie du für das Militär verpflichtet warst, (1:58) dein Mann war in der Militärkorps, (2:00) sagst du, ist das korrekt? (2:01) Genau.
(2:02) Okay, und dann, Herr Keller, (2:05) Sie sind Frau Robinsons Repräsentation, richtig? (2:08) Das ist richtig, ja. (2:10) Okay, tut mir leid, Leute, (2:12) ein bisschen technische Schwierigkeiten da, (2:13) aber wir sind wieder da. (2:14) Frau Robinson, Sie wollten uns über Ihre Geschichte sprechen, (2:17) wie Sie in und um die Camp Lejeune (2:21) und eventuell was passiert ist.
(2:26) Mein Vater wurde in die Militärkorps eingeladen, (2:28) mein Vater wurde hier in den späten 50er Jahren (2:33) 1959 sind wir in die Baustelle geflüchtet, (2:36) dann sind wir nach South Carolina geflüchtet, (2:38) dann sind wir zurückgekehrt nach North Carolina, (2:40) weil ich zwei jüngere Brüder habe, (2:41) einer wurde in South Carolina geboren, (2:44) der andere wurde in North Carolina geboren, (2:45) in Camp Lejeune. (2:46) Okay. (2:49) 1978 habe ich eine Form von Leukämie entwickelt, (2:52) weil ich 18 Bluttransfusionen hatte.
(2:57) Danach war ich gut, (3:02) 1978 und 1979 haben sie mich im Krankenhaus gehalten, (3:04) um herauszufinden, (3:05) nur um es zu moderieren, (3:07) um mich zu balancieren, (3:08) dann wurde ich 1980 verheiratet, (3:12) zu einem Soldaten, (3:15) wir lebten auf der Baustelle, (3:17) aber wir haben all unsere Zeit auf der Baustelle verbracht, (3:19) weil ich ihn abholte, (3:20) wir hatten nur ein Auto, (3:24) dann habe ich in 1981 eine Tochter geboren, (3:28) meine Tochter wurde mit, (3:31) sie hatte einen Tumor in ihrem Körper, (3:33) sie operierten auf ihr, (3:35) und später wurde es Blutkanker, (3:37) sie hatte Blutkanker, (3:38) sie starb um 32 Jahre alt. (3:40) Oh, tut mir leid. (3:43) Dann, (3:47) 1989, (3:50) habe ich Herzkanker entwickelt, (3:52) während ich mit meinem zweitem Kind, (3:53) drittem Kind, (3:59) Ich bin nach dem Baby in den Krankenhaus gegangen, (4:02) und das war, (4:03) als sie erfahren haben, (4:03) dass ich Herzkanker hatte.
(4:05) Niemand wusste es während der Geburt, (4:07) weil ich sehr gefährlich war, (4:09) also haben sie mich nicht kontrolliert, (4:12) wie sie es sollten, (4:13) sie konnten nichts reinstecken, um herauszufinden, (4:16) und (4:18) 1989, (4:20) seit 1989, (4:21) ich war, (4:22) von (4:24) 79 bis 89, (4:26) ich war krankfrei. (4:28) Von 89 bis (4:33) 2010, (4:35) habe ich Herzkanker entwickelt, (4:37) nicht Herzkanker, (4:39) Blutkanker, (4:40) sie haben meine Blutkanker-Anatomie gemacht, (4:43) niemand wusste, (4:44) niemand, (4:45) ich ging zu drei Arzten, (4:46) und sie sagten immer, (4:47) oh, du hast gerade ein Blutkanker-Virus, (4:50) du weißt, (4:51) es wird auf sich selbst erscheinen. (4:53) Richtig.
(4:55) Dann, plötzlich, (4:57) ging ich zu einem anderen Arzt, (4:58) und sie fragte, (4:59) hast du einen CAT-Scan gemacht, (5:00) hast du das? (5:02) Sie hat den CAT-Scan gemacht, (5:03) und das nächste, was wir wissen, (5:04) ich hatte einen Tumor in meinem (5:06) aufstehenden Kohlen, (5:08) der Größe eines Fußballspiels, (5:10) und niemand hat es erwischt. (5:14) Von 80, (5:15) von 2010 (5:18) bis 2015, (5:20) ich, (5:21) 2015, (5:22) habe ich Herzkanker in meinem linken Brest. (5:28) Sie haben die Operation gemacht, (5:30) ich war in Ordnung.
(5:31) Dann, 2023, (5:35) das war mein glücklicher Jahr. (5:38) Ich hatte einen Arzt, (5:40) der in New Bern war, (5:43) und er hat mich (5:44) bis nach Duke geschickt, (5:45) weil (5:46) ich einen Blutkanker-Virus hatte, (5:48) und ich bin kein Trinker. (5:50) Okay.
(5:51) Und sie versuchten, (5:53) herauszufinden, (5:54) wie sie es machen können. (5:55) Etwas erscheint auf einem CAT-Scan, (5:57) den ich gehen musste, (5:58) und er hat mich nach Duke geschickt, (6:01) und wir haben herausgefunden, (6:02) dass ich Blutkanker hatte. (6:05) Als sie den CAT-Scan auf mich gemacht haben, (6:07) haben sie herausgefunden, (6:08) dass ich Kidneykanker (6:09) und Blutkanker (6:10) gleichzeitig hatte.
(6:11) Oh, mein Gott. (6:13) Und dann musste ich (6:15) runterkommen (6:15) und mein Mammogramm (6:16) in New Bern haben. (6:17) Sie haben herausgefunden, (6:17) dass ich Brestkanker hatte, (6:19) in meinem rechten Brest.
(6:21) Also hatte ich (6:22) drei Kanker gleichzeitig. (6:23) Duke hat zwei davon behandelt, (6:25) und New Bern (6:26) hat den anderen behandelt. (6:29) Im März von 1924 (6:31) hatte ich einen Blutkanker.
(6:33) Okay. (6:36) Und jetzt bin ich (6:37) krankfrei, (6:38) so weit. (6:40) Wow.
(6:42) Das ist absolut unglaublich. (6:43) Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, (6:44) dass ich so etwas (6:46) über und über (6:47) wieder erleben muss. (6:47) Ich habe einen guten Freund, (6:49) der auch in der Luftwaffe ist, (6:51) der ein paar Mal (6:52) Leukämie überlebt hat, (6:53) aber du bist (6:54) durch all diese Dinge (6:55) und du musstest (6:56) Teile deines Körpers (6:57) entfernen.
(6:58) Das ist schrecklich. (6:59) Ich bin nur neugierig. (7:00) Wann haben die Teile (7:01) zusammengebracht, (7:02) dass das (7:03) mit Camp Lejeune (7:05) und deinem Zeitraum (7:06) in diesem Bereich verbunden ist? (7:07) Als ich (7:09) Kankerkrankheit hatte, (7:10) hat mein Arzt (7:11) in New Bern (7:11) mir gesagt, (7:14) das ist nicht richtig.
(7:15) Weil mein Mann (7:16) hatte Lungenmelanoma-Kanker. (7:19) Okay. (7:19) Er starb 2014.
(7:20) Meine Tochter starb (7:21) fünf Monate nach ihm. (7:22) Entschuldige. (7:24) Und dann (7:25) hatte mein Vater (7:25) Parkinson's-Krankheit, (7:27) als er gestorben ist.
(7:28) Okay. (7:31) All das sind (7:32) Camp Lejeune-Krankheiten. (7:34) Aber das Schlimmste (7:35) für mich ist, (7:36) dass ich so viele (7:37) verschiedene Kanker hatte.
(7:38) Ich bin einer (7:38) von fünf Kindern (7:40) und ich bin der einzige, (7:41) der Kanker hatte. (7:42) Meine Schwester (7:42) hat gerade Kanker, (7:43) aber (7:45) es ist (7:47) Frauenkanker. (7:48) Okay.
(7:49) Also (7:50) wir sind nur (7:52) Ich bin eine starke Person. (7:54) Ich glaube, (7:56) ich werde (7:57) Camp Lejeune sein. (7:59) Richtig.
(8:00) Weil, (8:01) sofern ich mich interessiere, (8:02) hat Camp Lejeune (8:03) uns nie erzählt, (8:03) was los war. (8:05) Ich arbeitete (8:06) bei Camp Lejeune (8:07) 25 Jahre (8:08) als Bürgerarbeiter. (8:10) Ich war (8:11) ein staatlicher Arbeiter.
(8:12) Okay. (8:14) Und es war einfach, (8:15) ich meine, (8:15) niemand hat uns (8:16) über diese Dinge erzählt. (8:18) Niemand hat uns erzählt.
(8:18) Und als ich (8:19) 78 wurde, (8:20) hat Camp Lejeune (8:21) gesagt, (8:22) oh, wir müssen (8:23) sie nach Portsmouth bringen. (8:24) Also bin ich (8:25) von Camp Lejeune (8:26) nach Portsmouth gekommen, (8:27) um herauszufinden, (8:28) was mit mir falsch war, (8:29) weil Camp Lejeune (8:30) es nicht wusste. (8:35) Also, (8:36) vorhin, (8:36) bin ich es okay? (8:41) Du machst es großartig.
(8:42) Du erzählst deine Geschichte (8:44) und das ist (8:44) das Wichtigste. (8:46) Absolut. (8:47) Einen Minuten vorher (8:48) hast du gesagt, (8:49) dass das Camp Lejeune-Krankheiten (8:51) Das klingt einfach (8:51) so, (8:52) dass es andere Leute gibt, (8:53) die auch (8:54) so etwas (8:54) passiert haben.
(8:56) Ja. (8:56) Und (8:58) diese Stränge (8:59) sind alle (8:59) zurückgezogen (9:00) zu Camp Lejeune. (9:02) Ich nehme an, (9:02) dass es andere Leute gibt, (9:04) die dies (9:05) neben dir erleben (9:06) und vielleicht andere Leute, (9:07) die sich in dieser Situation (9:08) Aber (9:09) das geht bis (9:10) in die 50er Jahre.
(9:11) Es klingt so, (9:12) dass es seit Jahrzehnten ist, (9:13) dass du vielleicht (9:14) über (9:15) Hunderten von Leuten (9:16) vielleicht mehr, (9:17) die diese Erfahrungen (9:19) Lass mich (9:21) das hier zurücklegen. (9:22) Was war (9:23) die offizielle Antwort (9:25) von Camp Lejeune? (9:26) Und dann, (9:26) gab es (9:27) eine Beweisung, (9:28) was dies (9:29) verursacht hat? (9:30) Ich fühle, (9:31) dass ich weiß, (9:31) dass Camp Lejeune (9:32) eine Artillerie-Stränge hat (9:34) und ich verstehe, (9:34) dass Artillerie (9:36) und einige andere Dinge (9:37) Chemikalien haben, (9:38) die nicht sicher sind (9:39) und ich weiß nicht, (9:39) ob es vielleicht (9:40) Leitungen gibt, (9:41) aber kannst du (9:42) das für uns (9:44) Ich weiß nicht genau, (9:44) was man (9:46) vielleicht legal (9:46) dazu bringen kann (9:47) oder was auch immer, (9:48) aber ich bin einfach (9:49) interessiert, (9:49) ob das alles (9:50) Chemikalien waren. (9:51) Es waren Chemikalien, (9:52) die auf der Basis (9:54) Okay.
(9:54) Brandon, lass mich, (9:55) wenn ich kann, (9:56) Virginia ist genau richtig, (9:58) es waren Chemikalien, (9:59) die auf der Basis waren. (10:00) Lass mich das (10:00) für dich aufstellen, (10:01) weil du gesagt hast, (10:02) dass Hunderte von Leuten (10:03) in der Situation (10:04) von Frau Robinson (10:06) leider Hunderttausende (10:07) von Leuten (10:08) in der Situation (10:10) von Frau Robinson (10:10) Also, (10:11) schreckliche Chemikalien (10:13) wie Benzin (10:14) waren im Wasser (10:15) bei Camp Lejeune (10:16) als Ergebnis (10:17) eines Dumpfens, (10:18) das dort (10:19) auf dem Boden (10:20) herrscht. (10:21) Und das geschah (10:22) im Laufe (10:23) von etwa (10:24) 35 Jahren, (10:25) Anfang der 1950er Jahre.
(10:27) Also, wenn du (10:28) ein Glas Wasser (10:29) aus dem Fassett trinkst, (10:30) wenn du deine Zähne brustest, (10:32) wenn du jeden Abend (10:34) wirst du (10:34) von diesen (10:35) bekannten (10:36) menschlichen (10:37) Carcinogenen (10:38) und bekannten Chemikalien (10:39) die Krankheiten (10:40) wie Parkinson (10:41) und Neuroentwicklung (10:43) verursachen. (10:44) Und also, (10:45) die Leute, (10:45) die auf der Basis waren, (10:46) v.a. die Marines (10:47) und ihre Familien, (10:48) aber auch die Zivilisten, (10:50) wurden von diesem Wasser (10:52) Und die Regierung (10:53) hat seit vielen Jahrzehnten (10:55) nichts darüber gesagt. (10:57) Endlich gab es (10:58) einen Aufruhr, (10:59) weil die Leute (11:00) bemerkten, (11:01) wenn du (11:02) bei Camp Lejeune (11:03) wenn du bei Camp Lejeune (11:05) wärst du viel (11:05) häufiger (11:06) mit diesen (11:07) Konditionen.
(11:08) Und endlich (11:09) begann die VA (11:11) medizinische Vorteile (11:12) mit dir (11:14) an der Basis (11:15) Sie gaben (11:16) immer noch (11:16) keine Kompensation (11:17) für Schmerzen und Schmerzen (11:19) die Art (11:20) Verhandlungen und (11:20) Tribulationen (11:21) die du gerade gehört hast (11:22) Frau Robinson (11:22) durch das Verlieren (11:24) eines Kindes (11:24) in ihren (11:25) frühen 30er Jahren (11:26) was keine Mutter (11:27) jemals (11:28) ein Kind (11:29) zu verleihen (11:29) zu dieser Zeit (11:30) sie gaben (11:32) nichts (11:32) wie das (11:32) bis endlich (11:34) 2022 (11:35) also lange (11:37) nachdem die (11:38) letzte Person (11:39) auf der Basis (11:41) Camp Lejeune (11:45) und mit 87 (11:46) Stimmen im Senat (11:47) also ziemlich (11:48) bipartisan (11:49) inkl. (11:50) dann (11:50) Senator (11:51) und jetzt (11:52) Vizepräsident (11:52) J.D. (11:53) Vance (11:53) haben sie das (11:54) Camp Lejeune (11:55) Gerechtigungsgesetz (11:56) die (11:56) Sovereigenschaft (11:57) Immunität (11:58) die einfach (11:59) legal (11:59) für (12:00) sagen (12:00) du hast jetzt (12:01) die (12:01) Möglichkeit (12:01) die (12:02) USA (12:03) die (12:36) die (12:38) die (12:49) die (12:49) die (12:49) die (12:49) die (12:59) die (13:01) die (13:01) die (13:02) die (13:02) die (13:02) die (13:02) die (13:02) die (13:02) die (13:02) die (13:02) die (13:03) die (13:03) die (13:03) die (13:03) die (13:03) die (13:03) die (13:03) die (13:03) die (13:04) die (13:05) die (13:05) die (13:23) die (13:25) die (13:31) die (13:36) die (13:41) die (13:41) die (13:42) die (13:44) die (13:44) die (13:44) die (13:55) die (13:56) die (13:58) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:02) die (14:03) die (14:03) die (14:03) die (14:03) die (14:03) die (14:03) die (14:04) die (14:08) die (14:12) die (14:15) die (14:15) die (14:15) die (14:16) die (14:16) die (14:30) die (14:39) Es ist immer überraschend für mich zu hören, wie lange diese Dinge dauern, um zu fruitionieren. (14:47) Meiner Meinung nach würde es eine aktive Überwachung benötigen, um wegzukommen und für das, was passiert, Verantwortung zu nehmen.
(14:54) Ich weiß nicht, was ihr am legalen Ende durchgegangen seid, aber um zurück in die Zeit zu gehen und vielleicht (15:02) einige frühere Berichte darüber haben. Gibt es irgendeine Versuchung, die ihr entdeckt habt, (15:08) von der US-Armee oder der DoD zu verstecken? (15:14) Habt ihr das gesehen? (15:15) Ich glaube, ja. (15:17) Ja? (15:18) Ich habe Angst, dass die Antwort Ja ist.
Das ist richtig. (15:22) Okay. (15:23) Ich wurde erzählt, als ich meine Sachen angefangen habe.
Ich habe das 2013 angefangen. (15:27) Ich ging durch die VA. (15:31) Ja.
(15:31) Mein Mann lebte damals. Wir haben mit der VA angefangen, weil mein Mann, meine Tochter und ich (15:38) alle gleichzeitig durch das Könstlern gingen. Wir waren einander Pfleger.
(15:45) Aber das ganze Thema, als du über Asbestos und Wasser sprachst, das ist in fast allen Militären wahr. (15:51) Das Gebäude, in dem ich auf der Basis arbeitete, wurde 1941 gebaut. (15:55) Du weißt, dass es Asbestos gab.
(15:58) Ja. (15:58) Aber alles, was sie tun konnten, war etwas auf den Wäldern zu posten und zu sagen, (16:02) dieses Gebäude hat Asbestos. (16:03) Ja.
(16:04) Arbeite einfach mit deinem Risiko. (16:06) Aber das ganze Thema ist, als ich in die VA ging und mit ihnen angefangen habe, (16:13) ja, wir bekamen Berichte. Wir bekamen beruflich Berichte.
(16:17) Ich wurde gesagt, ich soll in ein VA-Hospital gehen und eine Bewertung machen. (16:23) Ja. (16:23) Für mich zu werden bewertet, okay? (16:25) Als ich dort war, um bewertet zu werden, hatte ich kein Könstler.
(16:29) Ja. (16:30) Ich ging in ein VA-Hospital, wurde bewertet und dann haben sie mir gesagt, (16:35) nachdem ich hierher gekommen bin, um nach Camp Lejeune oder nach Jacksonville zu gehen, (16:40) wurde ich gesagt, oh nein, du bist ein Pfleger, du kannst nicht hierher kommen. (16:45) Du wirst hier nicht gesehen.
(16:46) Ich sagte, ich wurde gesagt, ich soll hierher kommen. (16:49) Ich habe sogar die Berichte mit mir gebracht. (16:51) Also hat die VA uns aufgeregt.
(16:54) Und das hat mich wütend gemacht, weil die VA die Veteranen betreuen sollte. (16:58) Richtig. (16:59) Ja.
(17:00) Absolut. (17:01) Herr Keller, du hast gesagt, dass du Beweise gefunden hattest, (17:04) sie zu bewerten. (17:04) Was ist einige dieser Informationen? (17:07) Kannst du darüber reden? (17:08) Ja, es ist im öffentlichen Bereich.
(17:11) Ich glaube nicht, dass die Regierung jetzt sogar verweigert, (17:14) dass sie wusste, dass die Poisen, Chemikalien und Wasser (17:17) lange zuvor, vor dem Camp Lejeune-Gerechtigungsgesetz im Jahr 2022, (17:21) sie das in den 90ern und 2000ern entdeckt haben (17:24) und sie endlich verabschiedet haben, (17:26) dass Veteranen die Vorteile bei der VA bekommen sollten, (17:29) mit der Vorstellung, dass sie von der Wasserverschmutzung bei Camp Lejeune verletzt waren, (17:34) sodass sie medizinisches Pflegebedürfnis zu einem günstigen Preis bekommen konnten. (17:38) Ich glaube, dass die Regierung selbst bezeichnet, (17:40) dass das von den Menschen versteckt wurde, (17:42) die seit vielen Jahrzehnten verletzt wurden. (17:44) Und jetzt, dass es endlich zu Licht gekommen ist (17:46) und der Kongress gesagt hat, (17:48) sind wir jetzt in der Kämpfung, (17:50) in der getragenen Kämpfung, (17:51) um Verpflichtung für diese Opfer zu bekommen.
(17:54) Aber es gibt keinen Widerspruch, dass die Regierung (17:56) viele, viele Jahre zuvor darüber wusste. (17:58) Ja. (17:58) Ich erinnere mich an die 90er-Jahre.
(18:00) Wir wussten, als wir auf der Basis lebten, (18:02) dass man eine Wasserverschmutzung riechen konnte. (18:05) Meine Mutter hat Wasser geboilt, (18:07) um Tee für uns zu machen. (18:09) Sie hat Wasser geboilt, um mit zu kochen.
(18:12) Alles war in geboilter Wasser. (18:14) Und es hat immer noch nicht geholfen. (18:17) Wir mussten Schuhe tragen.
(18:18) Wir mussten unsere Zähne waschen. (18:20) Richtig. (18:22) Entschuldige, ich habe Dentschere.
(18:23) Ich hatte Dentschere, seit ich 35 Jahre alt war. (18:26) Wow. (18:27) Weil meine Gummis zerstörten.
(18:31) Also klar, du erlebst das. (18:33) Deine Familie, individuell. (18:35) Es mussten andere Familien auf der Basis sein, (18:36) die das gleichzeitig erleben.
(18:38) Und ich kann es mir nicht vorstellen, (18:41) weil ich weiß, wie das Militär funktioniert. (18:43) Und hey, ich habe das Problem zu Hause. (18:46) Das Wasser riecht komisch.
(18:48) Du hast hunderte Fahrer, Soldaten, (18:50) was auch immer, die das zu ihrer (18:52) Leidenschaft, die auf der Basis lebt, (18:54) Und das ist die Kette des Kommandos. (18:57) Das ist einfach ein totaler Fehler (19:01) Die Kette des Kommandos fiel durch. (19:04) Richtig.
(19:04) Sie haben nie aufgehört. (19:06) Das ist es, was ich meine. (19:07) Für Jahrzehnte.
(19:09) Ich weiß nicht, wie viele Male (19:10) eine Veränderung mit Leidenschaft passiert. (19:12) Es ist jedes paar Jahre, vielleicht (19:13) jedes Jahr, manchmal. (19:16) Und ich denke, wie viele Leute (19:19) seit mehreren Jahrzehnten (19:21) verletzte amerikanische Dienstleister (19:23) und ihre Familien darüber.
(19:26) Ich kann es mir nicht vorstellen, (19:29) warum jemand denken würde, (19:30) es sei in Ordnung, (19:31) das nicht aufzulegen und zu sagen, (19:33) Hey, das ist unsicher. (19:35) Wir lassen die Leute nicht mehr (19:36) in die Basis-Häuser. (19:37) Meine Frage an Sie ist, (19:39) sind die Menschen, die (19:41) aus der Installation von (19:42) Camp Lejeune gelebt haben, (19:43) das auch erlebt haben, (19:44) oder ist es nur im Militär? (19:48) Ich denke, was ich bisher gehört habe, (19:51) ist, dass es nur auf der Basis war.
(19:53) Was die Leute nicht erkennen, (19:56) ist, dass die Basis-Häuser (19:57) Midway Park, Toala Terrace (20:00) und Berkeley Manor (20:01) und Watkins Village waren. (20:03) Paradise Point war für die Polizisten. (20:06) Aber die ganze Sache (20:07) ist alles ... (20:09) Midway Park war auf der Basis (20:11) selbst, (20:12) aber ich kann Ihnen sagen, (20:14) aus den Geschichten, die ich gehört habe, (20:18) zehn Frauen, die auf einer Straße (20:20) in Midway Park gelebt haben, (20:21) hatten alle Verletzungen.
(20:24) Es war so, (20:25) in zwei oder drei Tagen (20:27) verletzten sie alle (20:29) ihre Kinder. (20:31) Das war das Wasser. (20:32) Sie wussten, es war das Wasser.
(20:34) Niemand anderes könnte etwas erklären. (20:36) Das Camp Lejeune-Hospital (20:37) erklärte nichts zu niemandem. (20:41) Das ist, wie es dort war.
(20:43) Ich wollte nur sagen, (20:45) du weißt das, Brandon, (20:46) als jemand, der gearbeitet hat, (20:47) das Wasser am Camp Lejeune (20:49) war die kontaminierte (20:51) Ursache all dieser Probleme. (20:53) Es sprach nicht über die Basis. (20:55) Aber eine Basis wie die Marine-Basis (20:57) Camp Lejeune hat viele Zivilbetriebe, (20:59) die ständig auf der Basis sind.
(21:01) Sie müssen (21:03) schauen, sie müssen Wasser trinken. (21:05) Sie werden (21:05) davon enttäuscht. (21:08) Und wenn man diese Enttäuschung (21:09) über Jahre hat, (21:11) anstatt ein paar Tage, (21:12) weil man immer wieder (21:15) zurückkommt, (21:17) kann das (21:18) die gleiche chemische Enttäuschung (21:20) geben, die diese Probleme hat.
(21:21) Auch wenn man nicht dort lebte, (21:23) wenn man dort genug Zeit verbracht hat (21:24) und an der Wasser enttäuscht war, (21:26) könnte man eine dieser Bedingungen entwickeln. (21:28) Es sind also v.a. Militärfamilien, (21:30) die auf der Basis leben, (21:31) aber nicht nur Militärfamilien, (21:33) sondern diejenigen, (21:34) die an der Basis arbeiten mussten. (21:37) Es macht mich auch wundern, (21:39) ob die Menschen, (21:40) die diese Krankheiten hatten, (21:42) wegen der Chemikalien, (21:43) wenn sie Kinder haben, (21:44) es möglich ist, das zu überwinden, (21:46) wegen der Schäden, die es dir getan hat? (21:48) Ja, auf zellulärer Ebene? (21:49) Ja.
(21:50) Wie Frau Robinson gerade sagte, (21:52) Missbrauchsfälle waren ein gemeinsames Problem (21:54) auf der Basis, (21:55) mit einer viel höheren Anzahl (21:56) als der Hintergrundrisiko (21:57) in der Bevölkerung. (21:59) Du hast die traurige Geschichte gehört, (22:01) die Frau Robinson über ihre Tochter erzählt hat, (22:03) als sie mit Känstlern geboren wurde. (22:05) Du trinkst das Wasser als Mutter, (22:07) während dein Baby im Uterus ist.
(22:09) Es wird deinen Nachfolger beeinflussen. (22:13) Es ist absolut schrecklich, (22:16) etwas wie das zu hören. (22:17) Es ist antithetical zu allem, (22:19) was du erzählt hast, (22:20) wenn du ins Militär kommst.
(22:22) Und ich denke, etwas, (22:23) was viele Leute hören und glauben, (22:24) ist, dass das Militär (22:26) die Ehrgeiz und die Ehre (22:29) und die Verantwortung (22:30) sind die Eigenschaften, (22:32) die das Militär vermittelt. (22:35) Und es gibt (22:37) so viele Beispiele (22:38) von solchen Dingen, (22:40) und dies ist nicht die einzige (22:41) Einstellung, die Probleme hatte. (22:44) Und zu hören, (22:46) wie viele Menschen, (22:47) die ihr Uniform tragen, (22:49) die anderen das Buch übergeben haben, (22:51) das ist keine Einstellung der Ehrgeiz.
(22:54) Das ist keine Einstellung der Verantwortung (22:55) oder der Ehre. (22:56) Es ist schrecklich. (22:58) Und es ist auch schade, (23:00) weil die Bevölkerung, (23:04) die amerikanische Bevölkerung, (23:05) hat diese Glaube (23:06) in ihrem US-Militär.
(23:08) Es gibt eine Menge Unterstützung. (23:10) Es gibt diese Glaube, (23:11) wie ich gesagt habe, (23:12) dass das Militär diese Moralen und Ethiken (23:16) und dann herausfinden kann, (23:18) dass dies passiert ist (23:19) und wie sie behandelt werden. (23:20) Und dann die Probleme, (23:20) die du mit dem Militär gehandelt hast.
(23:22) Es gibt so viele Geschichten (23:23) von Leuten und den Träumen, (23:25) die sie mit den Veteranen-Affären (23:27) Aber es ist wirklich schrecklich zu hören, (23:30) dass jemand wieder und wieder (23:32) das Buch übergeben hat (23:33) und sich nicht um dieses Problem (23:35) kümmert und die Menschen (23:36) und die Leute, die in dein Haus (23:37) gegangen sind, (23:40) trinken das Wasser (23:41) und es sind verschiedene Soldaten (23:42) die in den Barracks bleiben (23:45) oder eine Kantine füllen (23:46) und auf dem Feld gehen (23:47) und das Wasser trinken. (23:50) Du hast gesagt, dass es Chemikalien gab. (23:52) Ist es direkt an die Artillerie-Range (23:56) , die da draußen herrscht? (23:58) Wo fangen die Chemikalien an (24:00) und verpissen die Wellen? (24:03) Es könnte (24:04) das Pfeifen sein, (24:05) weil man die Häuser hat, (24:08) aber einigermaßen (24:09) war es der Grundstück.
(24:13) Sie hatten (24:14) einen Grundstück für die Reinigung (24:14) und die Chemikalien (24:16) für die Reinigung (24:19) waren ein Problem. (24:24) Das Einzige, was ich dir sagen kann, (24:26) was ich für eine Wahrheit weiß, (24:28) Camp Lejeune (24:30) hatte ihre eigenen Wassersourcen. (24:32) Alles war Grundstück.
(24:37) In California (24:38) bekommst du 5 Gallonen (24:40) Flaschen Wasser (24:41) für dein Haus (24:43) weil du alles (24:45) aus Camp Lejeune hast. (24:46) Wir hatten einen Arzt (24:47) und sein Name war Greg Murphy. (24:49) Er war Urologist (24:51) in Greenville.
(24:52) Er ist jetzt unser Staatssekretär, (24:54) weil wir für ihn gewählt haben. (24:56) Er ist derjenige, der es zuerst (24:59) mitgebracht hat (25:00) weil er so viele Patienten hatte, (25:03) die Knochenprobleme hatten (25:04) und er wusste nicht, (25:06) warum es so ein Problem gab (25:08) und dann hat er es noch tiefer gemacht. (25:10) Aber, ich meine, (25:12) wenn es nicht für Greg Murphy gewesen wäre, (25:13) würde niemand wissen, was los war.
(25:16) Richtig. (25:17) Weil sie das so ruhig halten. (25:20) Ja.
(25:21) Auch als ich 1978 krank wurde, (25:23) hat niemand etwas gesagt. (25:25) Ja. (25:26) Es war so ruhig.
(25:29) Ja. (25:31) Durch den (25:32) legalen Prozess, habt ihr (25:33) Beweise gefunden, (25:35) wenn ich sagen würde, (25:36) eine Verbrechung, um das in Militärdokumenten (25:40) oder Ähnlichem zu verstecken? (25:41) Vielleicht Dinge, die die Krankenhäuser (25:43) zu Camp-Leidenschaften (25:45) oder Ähnlichem vermitteln? (25:48) Ja, also Brandon, (25:49) zurück zu deiner früheren Frage. (25:51) Es gab ein paar Sourcen (25:52) von Chemikalien im Wasser, (25:54) aber eines der großen (25:54) war ein industrielles (25:57) Dreckschleifungsgerät, (25:58) das TCE und PCE (26:01) und andere industrielle Solvente (26:02) in das Wasser gefüllt hat.
(26:04) Und wie gesagt, (26:06) ich glaube nicht, (26:07) dass die Regierung jetzt (26:07) darüber diskutiert hat, (26:11) bevor sie zuerst (26:14) durch die VA (26:15) und dann durch das Camp-Leidenschaftsgesetz (26:17) im Jahr 2022. (26:19) Interessant ist, (26:20) dass in dem legalen Prozess, (26:21) den wir jetzt durchgehen, (26:22) die besten wissenschaftlichen Beweise, (26:25) die wir haben, (26:26) von der Regierung der USA (26:29) Die ATSDR hat Studien (26:30) über das Wasser bei Camp Lejeune (26:32) und die verschiedenen Bedingungen, (26:34) die es verursacht hat, (26:35) und eine Vergleichung (26:36) der Menschen, (26:36) die ihre Zeit auf der Basis (26:39) in den meisten kontaminierten Bereichen (26:40) zu den Menschen (26:43) in der Hintergrundpopulation, (26:46) die viel höhere Risiken (26:49) dieser verschiedenen Bedingungen zeigen. (26:50) Wir benutzen also (26:52) die eigene Beweise der Regierung, (26:53) um zu zeigen, dass diese Menschen (26:55) verletzt wurden, (26:56) und das ist bemerkenswert.
(26:57) Die Beratung von der Justiz (27:00) ist jetzt so, (27:00) dass niemand zur Verzögerung verpflichtet ist. (27:02) Der Kongress hat diesen großen (27:04) Verzögerungsantrag übernommen (27:05) und gesagt, (27:06) sie sollen in die USA gehen, (27:07) aber wir Plakate haben noch nichts geprüft, (27:10) obwohl wir die eigene Beweise der Regierung benutzen, (27:13) um zu zeigen, dass diese Menschen (27:14) verletzt wurden. (27:16) Die Beratung von der Justiz (27:17) in den USA (27:18) verändert sich, (27:21) und meine Hoffnung ist auch, (27:23) dass die politische Führung (27:28) von der Präsidentin (27:30) bis hin zum Vizepräsidenten (27:30) und dem Vizepräsidenten (27:31) sagen müssen, (27:34) genug ist genug, (27:36) diese Menschen haben lange gedauert, (27:37) Menschen wie Frau Robinson (27:38) haben lange gedauert, (27:40) es ist an der Zeit, (27:41) dass wir das Richtige tun.
(27:42) Das ist das, was die meisten (27:44) meiner Klienten wollen. (27:45) Sie sind nicht entschuldigt, (27:46) dass sie im Militär gearbeitet haben, (27:48) oder dass ihr Mann oder ihr Bruder (27:49) oder ihr Familienmitglied im Militär gearbeitet hat. (27:51) Sie sind stolz auf ihre Militärdienst.
(27:53) Sie wollen nur, dass die Regierung (27:55) Verantwortung nimmt und das Richtige tut, (27:57) was sie in der Vergangenheit falsch gemacht haben. (27:59) Das ist alles, was jeder fragt. (28:02) Wie viele Fälle (28:04) gibt es von solchen Dingen? (28:05) Es hat sich ein unglaubliches Anstrengen gebraucht, (28:07) um die Bernpitt-Registrie (28:10) offiziell für Menschen zu machen, (28:11) die seit 20 Jahren (28:13) in der G-WaG gearbeitet haben.
(28:14) Ich kann dir nicht sagen, (28:16) wie viele Male. (28:16) Du hast es vorhin erwähnt, (28:17) wie bei Camp Pendleton (28:20) fünf Gallonen Wasser pro Tag (28:21) zu Häusern gebracht wurden. (28:23) Auch wenn ich es vorhin erwähnt habe, (28:25) als wir angefangen haben, (28:26) war mein Vater im Einsatz.
(28:28) Als wir in Deutschland (28:31) konnten wir jeden Tag (28:31) in unser Wohnzimmer (28:33) zu einem Platz auf der Basis (28:43) der G-WaG. (28:45) Wir konnten (28:45) unsere Familien (28:46) in der Kaiser-Schlottern-Militärgemeinschaft (28:50) in der Rheinland-Palatinate (28:51) Als ich in Montana war, (28:53) gab es ein paar unterschiedliche Zeiten. (28:54) Das war die Malmström-Airforce-Base, (28:55) wo die ICBMs waren.
(28:57) Da gibt es viele Chemikalien (28:59) und andere Dinge, (29:00) zu denen man sich verabschieden kann. (29:02) Aber es gab auch Zeiten, (29:03) wo wir in der Vorbereitung gesagt haben, (29:05) dass das Wasser schlecht sein wird. (29:07) Nicht trinken.
(29:08) Auch als ich in der Prozession (29:09) in eine Gästehausse war, (29:11) wurde mir gesagt, (29:12) nicht das Wasser trinken. (29:12) Nicht das Wasser in der Schaube trinken. (29:16) Nicht die Zähne mit Wasser bruschen.
(29:19) Es ist nur die Gästehausse, (29:22) das ist ein Problem. (29:22) Wenn man auf der Basis (29:25) oder in den Squadrongebäuden geht, (29:27) ist das Wasser gut. (29:28) Auch die Waffen-Storage-Area, wo die Waffen aufgelistet und unterhalten werden.
(29:34) Dort unten ist Wasser, das sie sagen ist sauber zu trinken, worauf ich immer skeptisch war. (29:38) Aber es ist wirklich unglücklich zu hören. (29:42) Und das ist, wie du gesagt hast, verbunden mit einer Dreckschutz-Service, (29:45) die es ermöglicht hat, Wäsche zu dumpfen und Menschen krank zu machen.
(29:50) Ich bin mir sicher, dass diese Dreckschutz-Service nicht mehr existiert. (29:54) Die Menschen müssen sich selbst verantwortlich halten, (29:56) aber dann zu hören, wie du gesagt hast, Herr Keller,


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